slander or calumny ...

Do you practice this?

Where have you been a victim of this?

What reaction did it provoke

How far would you go if someone hurt you?

Have you ever hated someone?

What do you keep as a memento of that?

How did you manage to bring peace to your mind?

Did you ever feel betrayed, and what do you think of that act today?

See you soon for this discussion on the discovery of internal permutation.

bec

lollipop

Hey Lolly pop!

Gossip and slander generally aim only to harm, so I do not engage in such practices, even though it can be tempting for many people who feed on gossip.

Like everyone else, I have of course been a victim of this.

It stirs up a desire for anger, revenge, and sadness at the same time.

If I were to be harmed, I would try to understand why.
Because it is in the why that I would find my answers.

To hate others is to hate oneself.

We bring peace back into our minds by knowing how to forgive those who have hurt us.

Any betrayal must allow us to question ourselves.

Kisses
The magician.

Yes, I have also been a victim of slander, and this happened recently regarding a man.
I have the same question as LeMagicien, why?
People who speak ill of others or manipulate them have serious problems of their own.
I would say no, I don’t practice it, and why? If I ever felt I needed to, I would first go get some help… because it amounts to nothing more than being a gossip and saying nasty things about others.
Some people get so bored with their own lives that they go on to poison the lives of others.
As the magician once said: gratuitous malice… It seems that for some people, it’s a way of life.
Not enough for me.

I'm speaking in general, of course, and I'm not thinking of anyone in particular... ;D
I have only analyzed the subject in the past.
I will not feel any need for vengeance, only pity, sadness, and incomprehension.

Yes, the debate seems extensive on this subject.

Perhaps we could find a thousand answers to this and imagine that the imprint of childhood, or simply an inner wound, could provoke this feeling and this turmoil that leads to such an act.

But we must not forget that sometimes, unconsciously, we become gossipy or slanderous, even in a free remark addressed to someone else about a third party…

The border is a limit and the terrain is porous.

So let's be honest and accept the fact that we can be honest with someone we judge or who sometimes makes us uncomfortable.

What do you think???

What remedy or control can be found to prevent ever being caught in this trap…

because I think they are terrible traps in themselves, the act of it beyond the suffering it may cause to others…

bec

Lollipop

I think that to begin with, we must not judge others; it is too easy to judge others without
1 - to know
2 - talk to him/her
3 – to know or understand what is off-putting about this person

Of course someone can get in my way, but I don't retaliate; I just move away.

And when I dislike someone or when I know they’re hiding something too…

Of course, every act has its reason for being from the very beginning of thought and/or reflection, but to the point of consciously causing another person suffering?.. or is it unconsciously?

Some do it unconsciously.
Others hurt people unconsciously.

The first ones want it.
The second ones do it by their very nature.

???

Apparently, the two natures exist, judging by certain psychoanalytic writings; however, can this be further developed?

What would be interesting is to see who benefits from this (or, as they say: who benefits from the crime...)

What can slander or backbiting bring to the person who engages in it, and one can also see that sometimes the slanderer or backbiter benefits the victim, particularly in celebrity magazines, where it can be seen that this allows some to derive financial subsidies or even notoriety from it…

But let's leave the stars aside

Sometimes, slander is the concern of a spontaneous friendly solidarity from onlookers…

but also that the slanderer becomes aware of their vileness and transforms…

What do you think?

Where are these natures that are thus and will always remain so, for that is what gives them their charm or their beauty of dart?

What would be interesting is to see how the two of them experience things internally; do they carry this weight of guilt or not?

How are they so confident in themselves that the culprit is the one who provokes this attitude in them?

What do you think?

A+

lolly

Hey Lolly pop,

The slandered person can benefit from the slander by showing others the other side of the coin, thereby silencing the slander.
Those who slander have it in their blood, because, as mentioned before, it falls within the realm of gossip, which so many people indulge in.

Kisses
The magician.

Yes, probably Magic, and it’s visceral, maybe

however, how to get them to reveal their own suffering

Isn’t gossip linked to frustration?

And then, aren’t we adding to it by calling them gossips and saying that this meanness is second nature to them? Aren’t we, at that moment, consciously and willingly complicit in it from afar?

I sincerely believe that the pain they carry leads them to this?

What do you think?

KISSES

LOLLY

My dear Lolly pop!

In my view, gossip is linked to loneliness, which can represent a real suffering for many people.
Human beings are just like that; you have to understand that by meddling in other people's business and lives, some people feel less alone.

Kisses
The magician.

Yes, alone, but how can one explain that, despite a family circle (husband, wife, and children), a person can devote themselves to this, even though they appear happy on the surface?

Does this mean that she remains alone and suffers from not feeling loved by her own, or is it linked to this person’s innate nature and therefore to something ancient or hereditary, a family of merchants?

What do you think?

Is that possible?

Lolly,

I agree with you; it is certain that out of curiosity, we all take part in this complicit game of gossip. But to be honest, it is not a good thing, because as we have seen throughout history, gossip often leads to denunciation and all the unpleasant consequences that follow.

Kisses
The magician.

AND FORGIVENESS: can you grant it to slanderers who push life to the point of deeply wounding a being out of perversity and inner frustration?

Hi Lolly,

You need to know that many people feel lonelier when they are surrounded by others than when they live alone.
Silences between two people can be unbearable.

Have a good evening
The magician.

Good evening Lolly and LeMagicien,
I read your post exchanges with interest.
Yes, I think we are starting to meddle in other people's lives, because we suffer from loneliness, and by talking about others, we feel less alone.
Let’s take the cliché of the archetypal gossip: the concierge or the cleaning lady… How does she end up in that position? Does she want to mask her social status? To show that she can do more than just concierge work or cleaning…? To give herself a different value?
However, I am convinced that the one who causes suffering to others suffers deep within themselves.
Like the one who helps others does so to help himself, for he does not think of himself?..
It’s a whole psychological context and a form of self-protection, in a way…

Good evening, Catherine,

Thank you for this analysis.

Have a good evening
The magician.

Hello LeMagicien,

Thank you.

I wish you a lovely day,
ClaudiaC

Hi Lolly Pop!

Forgiveness does not necessarily involve forgetting!

Kisses to you
The magician.

Hi Claudia and Magic

Thank you for this intellectual exchange and for these moments when you freely spoke from the heart and with your feelings…

The subject remains open to question; perhaps someone who has experienced this could tell us in what context they resorted to it and for what reason—not to be criticized or blamed, but simply to encourage us not to go down that path. We are all vulnerable to this… tomorrow, we might lose something, suffer a profound grief, or face some tragedy that could lead us to unleash this anger, and who knows who it might turn against…

The limit is reached when a being is in distress or experiences something horrific in a situation…

It takes great trust in one's being, and despite our meditations, prayers, and quests for compassion in life, in others…

We remain vulnerable in the face of a negative situation…

To counter any drift, one must understand how this poison or implant takes hold within oneself…

And only testimonies and understanding can make us act against it within us…

What do you think?

LOLLY